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Second Tuesday Conference Call
Hosted by Somebody Cares, Tampa Bay
January 11, 2005
Guest: Terry Teykl
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Glenn Barth hosted this call, welcoming callers and guest Terry Teykl. Glenn
opened the time with prayer.
Glenn described Terry as “a great leader in our time in pastoral renewal and
prayer.” He recalled the influence Terry had in his personal life, and the
encouragement he received while pastoring a church in Muncie, IN, a church in
Minnesota and now with Mission America. Terry helps pastors and Christian
leaders in personal prayer and in praying with others for their cities.
Glenn recalled an earlier book Terry wrote which summarized a lot of what he had
been teaching, Blueprint for the House of Prayer. He asked Terry for an
update: Where has the Lord taken you with Renewal Ministries and your
Terry: ’I’ve just written The Presence-Based Church - a new message
for the church. We have developed a new prayer ministry, World Methodist Prayer
Team with Methodist ministries and congregations. What God seems to be saying
is that He wants people to worship more fervently outside Sunday morning church
Glenn: When you do seminars now, who is your main focus?
Terry: We do clusters of churches, trying to get as many churches as
possible from the community to cooperate on a Saturday. I’ll be doing that this
Saturday in Marble, TX. It shows how John 17 is being fulfilled as churches
come together to pray for their cities, praying and working together as the Body
Glenn: What do you find? Do the numbers grow as churches work together?
Terry: We get good reports of prayer rooms being formed, teams praying
for their counties, using maps, praying for civil authorities, for pastors in
the city. We hear back from around the country. Our goal is to put a prayer
room in every church, and encourage an emphasis on praying for their city.
Glenn: Terry, talk a little about the maps and photos, the practical
helps you give people.
Terry: We teach the value of having a menu where you can choose the way
you feel is your best way to pray. The prayer room has prayer stations, from
6-10. Each station is important regarding the vision of the church. In these
rooms we now have a monitor displaying the World Methodist Prayer Team, praying
for pastors and missionaries around the world. I just came from Roswell United
Methodist Church. On Sunday morning we put 7 commitments people could pray for
in the bulletin. People came forward with their commitments. We had 40,678
minutes a day committed to pray. 260 signed up for the prayer room. I don’t
have the commitments in front of me, but it was like “I will spend ___ minutes a
day seeking the face of God” … and then added commitments to various prayer
items. This was reported in the church the following Sunday. One church in
North Carolina gave 100 hours a day in commitment to just seek the face of God,
not even a prayer room. I’m excited to see the difference that will make. It’s
a measurable commitment. We call it Prayer Pledge Sunday, asking for a 3-month
commitment. A church in Frankfort, KY didn’t have a prayer room, and leadership
didn’t think people would commit to a prayer room, but they pledged 68 hours of
prayer a week.
Glenn: If you don’t have a regular space to pray in, often you won’t
pray. There are lots of distractions.
Terry: We have seen many homes establishing family altar places of
prayer in homes.
Glenn: It’s not easy to establish a prayer room in a church. People
have other ideas about using the rooms.
Terry: I suggest they ask the pastor to use his office for prayer, and
in a few days, a room will be found.
Glenn: When we cultivate a prayer life, God lays His Word on our hearts.
One of our commands is for unity of the church, and they will begin to think
about the big C church – the Church of the City.
Terry: It’s about finding his will and then praying his will. We teach
that format, being still long enough to hear what God wants us to pray about,
and then praying that.
Glenn: I know your focus has been on the United Methodist Church, but I
also know God has laid it on your heart that the church would come together
across all denominations. How do you encourage that?
Terry: Jesus said we should raise the dead, so I went to the Methodist
church. Why go to an alive church? Some think God is re-digging some of the
wells of the church. The Bible says “honor your mother and father”. For us,
that means the big downtown churches that are our heritage in cities. They are
our fathers and mothers, even though they aren’t as dynamic as we think they
Glenn: What advice would you give those on the call today on
strengthening their personal prayer life?
Terry: Don’t pray first; worship first. Get some tapes, worship him,
declaring his mercy, exalting the Lord Jesus. “If you want to get in with the
father, praise the Son.” Grace Church in Minneapolis has taught us that – People
are coming together for corporate prayer meetings praising him.
Glenn: You’re familiar with Daniel Henderson and his book.
Terry: I keep buying his book, but always give it away, so I can’t keep
Glenn: Daniel is a close friend. We are planning a prayer meeting for
the southwest suburbs that will meet once a month and move from church to church
here in the Twin Cities.
Question and Answer:
Mike Jebb, Chicago: When you were talking about the minutes people were
pledging, what percentage of the congregation responds to that?
Terry: It’s amazing. I’d say 95%. You include something everyone can
do. Committing to an hour a week in the prayer room is a high one, but being on
the pastor’s email prayer list is an easier one.
Mike: How can I get that menu?
Terry: email me: Tteykl@Houston.rr.com. Talk to the leadership. Ask,
where could we go on this? Build it from that. You make up your own menu. I do
this at different churches every Sunday. Pastors are surprised by the response.
We give training. We tell them they can quit after 3 months, but we’re just
kidding. Term praying gives them a sense of fulfillment, and then we give them
the opportunity to commit again. In our church, we had so many committing to
praying in the prayer room that we had to open a second prayer room. It’s
worked in almost every church. Sometimes we just ask them to commit to seeking
the face of God. Ask them to commit to pray so many minutes a day for you. We
had 61 people in one church who said they would come 20 minutes early and prayer
walk the building. They get up early anyway.
Glenn: Would you mention 2 things: Do you have a website? Give you
email address again.
Terry: Tteykl@Houston.rr.com. The website is
<http://www.worldmethodistprayerteam.net/> We send out an email teaching
to everyone who signs up, and they can post prayer requests. The value of that
is most mainline churches have addresses, relationships, and a lineage around
the world. This extends the opportunity around the world. My vision is that
each church has a prayer team. Each church can have a local version of that, so
pastor can put out prayer items, people can post requests, the pastor can send
out a teaching on it. It would operate the same way – any size church can do
that. Some Methodists are so shy they won’t lead in silent prayer. But they
will pray at home.
Glenn: I believe you are carrying forth the vision of John Wesley.
Terry: The goal is evangelism. My heart is prayer evangelism. This is
a tool to do that.
Glenn: I remember you did something similar to Operation Andrew.
Terry: We have a “most wanted list” listing people to pray for, and
scriptures relating to that. It is God’s will that none should perish, so we
want people to pray specifically for people they know to come to Christ.
Glenn: In Cochella Valley, California, 43 churches recently came
together and sent out 25,000 bookmarks to members of their churches, and began
to create a list of 5 or more folks each person would pray for. They have a “Go
to the Wall” Sunday where they put up names of those they are praying for. Now
they are reporting relatives and friends who have come to Christ.
Tina, Chicago: You mentioned a book, The Presence-Based Church.
What is it about?
Terry: The theme is basically the danger of churches becoming
consumer-based. We tend to be fanatical about reaching people, where our first
responsibility is reaching God. We need more of Him, not more people. How can
we get God to come to our church and manifest himself? If that happens, we won’t
have room for the people. This book contrasts with the consumer-based church.
Instead of a seeker church, we need to have a Savior centered church.
Teykl’s ministry resource web page is
http://www.prayerpointpress.com/store/menu.htm The goal is to offer
everything people need – call it Prayer-Mart instead of Wal-Mart.
It lists following resources:
· Blueprint for the House of Prayer
· Acts 29
· Preyed on or Prayed For
· Making Room to Pray
· Outside the Camp
· Praying Grace
· The Presence Based Church + Study Journal
· How to Pray After You've Kicked the Dog + Study Journal
· Mosquito on an Elephant's Rump
· Pray the Price
Revival is happening in Chile, Korea and other areas of the world. When we cite
answers to prayer around the world we inspire the American church. In Chili,
the average church service is 8 hours; the church there is growing at a 300%
annual conversion rate. Vital Christianity is in the world. If all we see is
what is happening in our own city, we are “circulating in our own stuff in our
washing machine.” We need to see how God is moving in the world.
Glenn mentioned the Global Day of Prayer movement. Bob Bakke is U.S. Director
for that. He’s working with two key leaders in Dallas, planning a stadium event
there. If anyone is interested, email Glenn@cityreaching.com. There is
planning for 10 days of prayer between National and the Global Day of Prayer.
Venues range from high school auditoriums to renting stadiums. Then plans are
moving on to 90 days of blessing after Pentecost, blessing people with acts of
compassion. It should be very significant.
Tina: Do you have a kit or something to start the prayer room and 3
Terry: The book called “Making Room to Pray” contains what you are
Mike Jebb: What is your opinion or knowledge of state of prayer in the
Terry: It has a wide range, from mainline denomination to charismatic
and evangelical. The prayer movement is consumer based: What can God do for
me? It’s so humanistic in orientation, so it doesn’t last. In other cultures,
it’s God-based. In America, it’s basically “God will prosper you if you pray.”
The state of the church in prayer is extremely dismal, in my opinion. For
example, look at how much they have in their budget for it, or attendance at
corporate prayer meetings and teaching about prayer. The American church is not
like Africa or Korea or other places. $5 billion has been spent on
evangelism in the American church, and size has remained the same. We pay
the price, but don’t pray the price. Prayer brings things money can’t
buy. The average church is in a worship crisis. Worship teams are doing such a
good job that people in the pew aren’t worshipping. They are just watching.
When I ask, “How do you encourage personal passionate worship in personal
lives?” they just look at me. If they wait to go to church to worship, they
wait too long. Pastors don’t worship because they are conducting worship. Their
cup is dry. They are traffic controllers. Pastors, put on some music and
worship God. In Exodus 33 Moses worshipped God; everyone stood at the entrance
of their tents and worshipped, because they saw God come upon their leader.
Mike: Does mass media distract?
Terry: If God wants our attention, he has a hard time getting it.
Glenn: I just came from a weeklong prayer retreat, and it was quiet. We
had a community of 18, but individual private cabins. It was an incredible
opportunity to contemplate. When I came back I visited some bookstores, but
found it was so loud everywhere we went.
Terry: I studied the Levites – they were presence keepers in tabernacle
worship – they didn’t say anything. They stood there in silent adoration and
worship. David came along later and introduced music.
Glenn: If there are no more questions, you have our email addresses.
Feel free to get in touch with us. Also check out www.cityreaching.com
<http://www.cityreaching.com/> for more resources.
Several participants on the call shared in a concluding time of prayer.
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